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Meaning and effect of keywords 10 years 6 months ago #13074

  • Sarah_F
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Hi everybody,
I am wondering about the meaning and effect of some keywords on a simulation.
I would appreciate it a lot if someone could give a short explanation in which way these keywords affect the numeric and the simulation results. The keyowrds I am talking about are:

- MASS-LUMPING ON H

- OPTION FOR THE DIFFUSION OF VELOCITIES

- TURBULENCE MODEL FOR SOLID BOUNDARIES (just for k-epsilon model!?)

- TREATMENT OF NEGATIVE DEPTH

- FREE SURFACE GRADIENT

- MASS LUMPING ON H

- IMPLICATION FOR DEPTH

- IMPLICATION FOR VELOCITIES

Thank you very much in advance.

Cheers
Sarah
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Meaning and effect of keywords 10 years 6 months ago #13090

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Hello,

So let's go:

MASS-LUMPING ON H : this changes the matrix stemming from the derivative in time of the depth into a diagonal. In some sense moves from finite elements to finite volumes. Effects : stabilises, smoothes. In steady state just stabilises, no effect on results.

OPTION FOR THE DIFFUSION OF VELOCITIES : in non conservative shallow water equations the diffusion term for a function f should be in the form 1/h * div (h * NUT grad(f)). Option 2 is this form, in option 1 we discard the terms 1/h and h. Not too much effect, and prevents divisions by 0.

TURBULENCE MODEL FOR SOLID BOUNDARIES : yes just for k-epsilon, other models do not need this "detail".

TREATMENT OF NEGATIVE DEPTHS : the fastest algorithms in Telemac allow some slightly negative depths. To get strictly positive depths TREATMENT OF NEGATIVE DEPTHS = 2 recomputes the continuity equation and yields an equation solved with machine accuracy and positive depths.

FREE SURFACE GRADIENT COMPATIBILITY : a parameter to suppress inf-sup oscillations (that appear when you discretise depth and velocities in the same way). 1 does nothing, 0 suppresses wiggles but may smooth a bit, any value in between accepted. Look for spurious oscillations of the free surface.

IMPLICITATION FOR DEPTH (or VELOCITY) : takes depth or velocity explicitely (time n) or implicitely (time n+1) in various terms of the equations. Implicit is more stable but smoothes, semi-implicit (0.5) is more accurate but the limit for stability. Important only for waves, has no effect on stedy state flows.

That's it,

Jean-Michel Hervouet

P.S. I have a number of Powerpoint presentations on this that should be put on this site soon.
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Meaning and effect of keywords 8 years 8 months ago #20176

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Hi Jean-Michel,

Could you specify the link where I can download Powerpoint presentations you mentioned in regards with more detailed explanations about key-words using in TELEMAC? I have read manuals, but more information is still required

Thanks & Best Regards

HUY Q TRAN
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Meaning and effect of keywords 8 years 8 months ago #20201

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Hello,

They have not been put on the site yet... I'll give the latest versions as soon as I can.

Regards,

JMH
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Meaning and effect of keywords 8 years 8 months ago #20421

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Thanks Jean-Michel.

I am looking forward to reading your documents.

Best Regards

Huy
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Meaning and effect of keywords 5 years 4 months ago #33882

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Hello everyone,

I now this is an old topic but I found it really helpful.

I wanted to ask if the power point presentation mentioned before was successfully published on the site? If so, can you please indicate me where to find it?

Thanks in advance
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