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WIND 13 years 1 month ago #2616

  • tannycke
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Hello

I would like to create wind generated wave over a harbour.
I have tested this by aplying a constant wind over it but nothing happens.
(stationnary wind/x and stationnary wind /y). can someone help me?

thanks
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Re: WIND 13 years 1 month ago #2620

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Hi
How did you configure your computational case?
Without at least your steering file it's difficult to help you
Christophe
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Re: WIND 13 years 1 month ago #2622

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hello

here is my steering file. I would like to calculate the incidence of the fetch over the harbor. the problem is : when I use the spectrum type 6 nothings happens. If I use the spectrum type 1, I have hs of 3m at the boudary and 1m after 2 km of fetch.
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Re: WIND 13 years 1 month ago #2635

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Hello,

I took a look at your model.
Here below my remarks:

If you use the spectrum type N°6, you have to set a non null significant wave height at the boundaries (you set Hs=0). In order to simulate the wind-induced wave generation, you must have non-null sea-state conditions. (By the way in the version V6P1 there is a new wind generation model, a linear wave growth model, which permits to start a wave simulation from a nil wave spectrum). Since you set a nil wave spectrum at the boundaries, the model cannot run properly.
Just try to set a spectrum type N°6 at the boundaries, with a small Hs, and compare the case with the wind and the case without the wind: you should see a difference.

When you use the spectrum type N°1 at the boundaries, the wind speed you set to calculate the wind source term is also used to calculate the boundary spectrum at the boundaries (see subroutine speini.f). That's why you have an Hs of 3m at the boundaries. In this case the effect of the wind on the waves is much smaller than the finite-depth induced dissipation and therefore the wave height decreases.
Those boundary conditions are not realistic in your case. The spectrum type N°1 is used to set wave spectra on liquid boundaries that are directly exposed to an open-sea: the wave spectrum is calculated based on the speed and on the fetch of the wind blowing over all the water area that is not included in your domain.
In your case I guess the the boundaries over which you set a b.c. of type 1 are the inner harbour boundaries and therefore they are not exposed to open-sea conditions, so you cannot impose a wave spectrum of type 1.

If you want to analyse the effect of the wind-sea, the best approach in the version V6P0 is to set b.c. of type 6, specifying a very small wave height, to be able to evaluate the impact of the wind on the model results. An approach which is even better is to switch to the version 6.1 and use the linear growth wnd generation model (the manual of the version 6.1 should be online very soon)

A final, but very important, remark. The application domain of TOMAWAC does not include the harbour areas and, more generally, all those
cases in which the effects of reflection on structures and/or diffraction may not be ignored. So be very careful in using the results of your TOMAWAC simulation for your study.
If you want to analyze the effect of a wind sea enetering the harbour, in this case I would recommend to calculate the spectrum generated by the wind field at the entrance of the harbour and then propagate the wave conditions in the harbour using a phase-resolving model (such as Artemis).

Hope it helps,

Giovanni
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Re: WIND 13 years 1 month ago #2643

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hello !

Thank you for your very precise answer, it helps me a lot.

I tried to enter a small Hs and compare with and without wind, and I don't see any difference, I think I will try to run it with 6.1 version.

I still modelised the swell at the enter of the harbour and calculated the agitation with artemis. I wanted to know if where there is no agitation due to the geometry of the harbour, there could be wave only generated by the fecth and the wind. I thought the best way to do this was with using tomawac. To be sure of my results, I would have compared them with the bretschneider formulas.

thank you for your help
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Re: WIND 13 years 1 month ago #2651

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hello

I tried to work on the 6.0 version with a wind of 0/Y and 30 m/s /X.
The results are very strange as you can see on the picture. The generation and the propagation has a good display but the problem is that the maximum value of Hs is 0.38 m ! The wind is blowing over 5 km at 30 m/s. The result should be more than one meter...

Do you know where could the problem come from ??

thanks a lot
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Re: WIND 13 years 1 month ago #2652

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I used a Hs of 0.1 meter at the boudaries as you said before to put some energy in the system
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Re: WIND 13 years 1 month ago #2679

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Hello,

could you send the steering file of your model I'll try to have a look in the next days.

Kind regards,

Giovanni
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Re: WIND 13 years 1 month ago #2683

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hello

here is my new steering file, it works with the same geo and conlim file (I post them before).
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Re: WIND 13 years 1 month ago #2684

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I forgot it
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