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TOPIC: Tidal Model, TPXO, High velocity and maximum water level, Ramp tide

Tidal Model, TPXO, High velocity and maximum water level, Ramp tide 6 years 7 months ago #29612

  • dw0100
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I'm trying to run a tidal simulation in Telemac v7p0r1 between 0000 UTC 19 June 2016 - 0000 UTC 23 June 2016. I have attached the boundary conditions (

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File Name: Clipped_500m_FirstMesh_HighRes_BC.cli
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), mesh geometry () and steering (

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File Name: EnglishChannel_SpinUp.cas
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) files. I am using the TPXO European Shelf model with both H and H+UV forcing on the open boundaries (Thompson boundary conditions).

However I am getting very high velocities and maximum water levels, see
HighWaterProblem.png
and
VelocityProblem.png
.

I expect this is because of tidal flats/ very shallow areas of bathymetry/ my boundary location, see
Bathymetry.png
. I have therefore tried smoothing the bathymetry and including treatment of tidal flats, but the problem just changes so that different areas now have unreasonably large velocities/ maximum water levels (not shown, but always near boundary nodes).

Is there any way to obtain more realistic results without changing the free surface gradient compatibility? I am aiming to run this with atmospheric wind and pressure forcing, and the free surface is unacceptably smoothed for my purposes by having a free surface gradient compatibility of < 0.9.

I have an idea to slowly ramp up the forcing and see if I still get these very high velocities and maximum water level. I would like to force the open boundaries with just elevation, and ramp up over time such that the elevations start at 0 and goes to 'real' elevations 24 hours later. (I would therefore not be interpolating to TPXO for my initial conditions, but having 0 m elevation initial conditions.) Which module should I therefore edit in Telemac2D? Would it instead be easier to do this by changing the binary TPXO files? If so, how do I get into these files and change them manually? Or should I change my mesh to have boundaries further outside of the domain I am interested in, and therefore also in deeper water?

Many thanks,
David
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Tidal Model, TPXO, High velocity and maximum water level, Ramp tide 6 years 7 months ago #29657

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For anyone interested, I have found that you can edit the subroutine BORD_TIDE_TPXO such that there is a RAMP function dependent on time (TEMPS). Editing Z such that Z = RAMP*CTIDE*TPXO_PTIDE + MSL seems to do the trick when wanting to do a cold start in Telemac2D using TPXO. I have found that more stable solutions have been found when ramping up from a cold start over 2 days for the English Channel.
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